We had the good fortune of connecting with Macy Frazier and Charlye Michelle and we’ve shared our conversation below.
Hi Macy Frazier, is there something that you feel is most responsible for your success?
We started The Witch Bitch Amateur Hour in the hopes that it would help others learning on their own spiritual/witchy journeys. The world of metaphysical study is VAST, and it can be overwhelming regardless of if you’re a beginner or a long time practitioner. However, the podcast has since created a safe space and support network for witches of all levels of experience to come together and discuss witchcraft, as well as even their lives and accomplishments. It’s created a space for witches alone in rural areas with no one to talk to about their craft to connect with other practitioners and ask questions without being looked down upon. While we didn’t do it on purpose, we created a sense of community, and time and time again we’re told that people feel like we’re friends and that they know us. This makes us so happy each time to hear, because that’s all we could ever want. They’ve accepted us for who we are, and our listeners know that we will accept them as they are, too.
Let’s talk shop? Tell us more about your career, what can you share with our community?
Neither of us really believed that we would have the privilege to be full-time creators. While it was an ideal scenario, it was hard to imagine it anything more then a pipe-dream, because what could be better than that? Since this wasn’t our initial career, we’ve both danced around in different fields until we found the right fit. Charlye walked a healer’s path and became a licensed massage therapist, while I got a degree in marketing and worked in jobs related to that area of focus. Then witchcraft showed up. In 2018, a curiosity grew into a fascination for both of us, and out of that came a declaration: we were going to start a podcast about witchcraft. We would be remiss if we didn’t admit that we declared the aforementioned statement with some embarrassment. It was common to hear that ‘everyone is starting a podcast’, and they were, but luckily, our families were endlessly supportive, so we got rockin’ and rollin’. We set a 6-month timeline where at its completion we would decide whether or not we were going to stay with it, but we were GOING to produce it for 6 months before we threw in the towel, even if it bombed. However, 6 months came and went, and we were enjoying it still so much we didn’t even realize the date was well behind us by then. That said, it has certainly had its challenges. Balancing the podcast with a job added a great deal of extra stress and work, and this increased for 3 years. When 2020 happened, we didn’t see each other in person for well over 200 days due to Covid-19. The podcast then had to be recorded virtually with us being 100 miles apart from each other in our respective houses. By this time, we had a steady and loyal following, and that kept us going and working through the fatigue. They give us so much, it really carries us through when we need it most. Now we’re both full-time creators and The Witch Bitch Amateur Hour is our job. What started as a crazy idea in 2018 has become our career, and that’s still hard to believe. It really makes you realize how just going for it, even if it feels like a crazy idea, can change your life completely. Did we know what we were doing in the beginning? Oh, absolutely not. No way. However, we just kept showing up each week and WBAH continued to grow alongside our own experience. We never overpromised who we were, we slapped ‘amateur’ right in the title. That “screw it, let’s just do it” approach, while less polished than the cautious approach, is likely what helped us the most. If we would have gotten too deep into the details of how we were actually going to do this we would have scared ourselves and backed out. Instead we just took it a bite at a time, day by day, and before we knew it we had gotten to a point where we realized the experiment we started somewhat on a whim had completely changed our lives.
Shoutout is all about shouting out others who you feel deserve additional recognition and exposure. Who would you like to shoutout?
There were so many people in the beginning that encouraged us, as well as helped to educate us on the world that we were preparing to dive into. The very first, we suppose, would be our Great-Great Grandmother Minnie. While she has long since passed on, stories of her remarkable and mysterious healing abilities remain. To be frank, she seemed very much like a witch, even though she herself would likely have never considered herself to be one. However, the story of her and her abilities has always stuck with the two of us, and with ancestors like that, you’re more likely to grow up thinking that maybe you can be a witch, too. The very first DFW Witchy Bazaar was the first day that we both openly did something witchy together and that lit a spark between the two of us. The people we met at that Bazaar, and subsequent DFW Witchy Bazaars, inspired us so deeply, and that day showed us there definitely is something in us that was calling toward this path. Our families have been along for the ride since the very beginning, and we couldn’t have gotten far without them. We are so lucky to have so many enthusiastic and supportive family members willing to help us and cheer us on. And lastly, but very importantly, there’s our listeners. They give us so much energy and love. We cannot begin to count the amount of times they’ve moved us to misty eyes, made us die with laughter, or checked in on us to make sure we were doing alright. It’s a coven, a family, and the care they’ve showered us in has really made WBAH what it is.